This has been 6 groups trying to do a D&D 5E “tournament adventure”, and then scored for mission success.
The Dungeon Master is Paul Siegel of Paul’s Game Blog and the adversary is played by Dan Collins of Delta’s D&D and OED Games.
- The Adversary. Having a co-DM play the “Big Bad” is an interesting setup I’ve seen done a few times in real games, it leaves the Referee free to run the game fairly instead of also running every monster in the world, though of course the adversary’s game time is usually limited. And Dan does a great job of chewing scenery (and slimy larvae from his lovin’ cup). He doesn’t have a lot of troops to control, and I think he’s much too passive and defensive with them, but given what he has, he does about as well as you can hope for.
The Players. Many of the players put some real character into their pregens, and made good role-playing and tactical choices. They seem like fun groups to game with.
Scoring. The rankings are about equal to how much I enjoyed each group’s attempt. The Luke Gygax group came in second, I think? And they were my favorite, but otherwise, sure. The last group was so dull, unprepared, and incompetent, and their low score was well-deserved. There’s an upcoming episode explaining the scoring, which I’m curious to see.
Videoconferencing & Editing. Surprisingly few technical difficulties, mostly switched to the players when they were talking, miniatures when they’re being moved. You’d think in 2020 that wouldn’t be an issue, but so many of these things are nothing but technical failure.
- D&D 5E. Not a fan. Just a bloated, thousands-of-pages, over-complicated mess of a game. Somewhere under all that shit, there must be a pony, so many people keep digging. You can see it clearest in this show, when old-school players are confronted with the giant pile of abilities and modifiers they get from all over the place, the spells have weird conditional effects and you’re constantly reminding each other of which ones apply. The two-hour game time here would be 15-30 minutes in an old-school system.
This is especially weird because both these guys are old-school D&D bloggers, Dan’s OED rules are pretty good, entirely reasonable interpretations of OD&D. Paul runs a weird hybrid of B/X, D20, and Warhammer FRP for his Ten Dead Rats game; I don’t know why he’s not just using Zweihänder or some edition of WHFRP, they’re much better than his hybrid, but it works. But all of those are much simpler than 5E, and more engaging with the players. They don’t have a laundry list of powers to activate, players instead must role-play actions the Referee agrees are reasonable. That’s a better test than “oh I picked the Druid so I can turn into an alligator here!”
Miniatures. For a visual show, a giant model set and miniatures being moved around is useful, sure. The cavern and altar tower look great. But it’s a single room that must’ve cost hundreds of dollars, and painting minis takes forever, and it limits you in what you can bring out to what figures you have. In any realistic budget, you’d maybe have a styrofoam riser “and this is the stone tower!” Which is why I prefer “theatre of the mind”, where you just describe the scenario, everyone closes their eyes and pretends. Or for tactical situations like this, a “battle mat” of butcher paper with drawn lines and chits or cardboard standees to represent the combatants.
Matt Finch did a series of his Swords & Wizardry rules Swords of Jordoba campaign, and they were fantastic game sessions—how old-school D&D is/should be actually played—frequently interrupted by setting up little mazes of miniatures and a tiny POV webcam. He also did a 5E Heroes of Jordoba campaign which went ludicrously off the rails, about evenly split because Zach’s a very unserious player, because 5E’s a terrible game, and because the end was running that stupid dinosaur swamp adventure.
Easy Mode Dungeon. The entire scenario, played out six times, is a single room, with about 10 opponents, 8 of whom are just identical cultists that Dan calls “Primus”, “Secondus”, etc. The final party managed to nearly TPK themselves in the river, but otherwise every group has skipped across the river, run up the stairs or side of the tower, killed the boss, game over. Nobody failed, which means it was balanced far too easy; admittedly it’s hard to kill 5E player characters. There’s no exploration, it’s just a toy set on camera.
The old tournament modules like Gary Gygax’s S1 Tomb of Horrors, S3 Expedition to the Barrier Peaks, S4 Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth, Lawrence Schick’s S2 White Plume Mountain, the A series (various authors) collected as A1-4 Scourge of the Slave Lords, Frank Mentzer’s R1-4 tournaments collected as I12 Egg of the Phoenix, and Tracy Hickman & Laura Hickman’s B7 Rahasia, are all tough, long, complex dungeon crawls. There’s fights, including hard boss fights at the end, but they’re more about mapping, puzzles, traps, role-playing, often interacting with the NPCs, making use of found magic.
White Plume Mountain is maybe the best/fairest tournament of those, and has only two major rooms with the artifacts, each on par complexity wise with the Big Bad’s cave, but there’s 27 rooms total, and clearing & looting several of them greatly increases your chance of succeeding at the artifact rooms.
Now, at conventions we did tournament modules in 3-6 hours, or sometimes there’d be two blocks of 3-4 hours. That’s a lot more than the 2 hours which is stretching Youtube audience tolerance. But there’s some balance in between 1 room and 100 rooms where a short tourney’s not just a single fight scene.
If they have another season, I may wait until the end and only watch the high-scoring team, or at least put the rest on 2x playback speed.